The Cold Calling Cult

It’s a cold Wednesday in October and I’m watching Batman Forever in a whitewashed room with twelve other candidates, waiting to be called.

What followed was a mercifully short interview and a day of tailing a fresh faced 19 year old (apparently a ‘top associate’) as he explained that the Events Assistant job I had applied for was in fact door-to-door marketing. After about eight exhausting hours, I found myself signing a piece of paper and setting my alarm for the following morning.

Each day started with being stuffed into ‘Atmosphere’, a barren room with little ventilation and far too many whiteboards. We’d perform 90’s team-building exercises, such as group huddles and shouting shoddy acronyms, all while sharing tactics to ‘maximise territory’. Our office manager, David, then graced us with his presence, sporting a pair of highly polished (and surprisingly distracting) shoes. Anyone with a respectable number of sales the previous day would get enthusiastic high-fives accompanied by a lengthy motivational speech. In turn, each of us reached for the Kool Aid.
’What time is it?’, asked David.
‘Show time’, we hypnotically replied.

These mornings served to develop a particular mindset. Sales became a blacklisted word. Focus instead was put on ‘the field’ as a training ground to perfect our people skills. Those who expressed doubt were deemed ‘losers’ – lazy, unambitious and generally inadequate. When people did quit it was with shame and disappointment, believing that their financial loss was their own making.

After one or two hours of travelling our team would end up in a remote residential area. We’d split up and go door-to-door selling services until as late as 7pm. Most houses were empty and those that weren’t were rarely interested. I’d make an average of three sales per day, on paper £30, but I never saw any of it.

Everyone made small talk and exchanged rumours. One team member, affectionately dubbed ‘condom’, told us how the manager of the ADT security campaign couldn’t speak a word of English when she had started just five months prior. Another claimed our manager used to be a cleaner. The rumours were incredible and even ludicrous, but they had the strange effect of legitimising the whole enterprise. Anything was possible if we were willing to put in the time. There was a cult-like atmosphere, where peer pressure and promises of money played on greed and the fear of missing out. Ironically, these were the very selling tactics taught to us.

Occasionally managers would throw in a free meal or the odd breakfast for the Crew Leaders. Every few months a selection of people would be labeled ‘Rising Stars’ and they’d attend a ‘business conference’ at a hotel, which sounded more like a frat party. A small price to pay to sustain the free labour.

About a month after starting I found out about the The Cobra Group and immediately quit. I ran home with my tail between my legs, facing the I-told-you-so looks from close friends and family before licking my wounds and beginning my job-hunt anew. Although there were plenty of tough times, there were also laughs and banter, and I did build up some rather impressive leg muscles.

The heart of what makes the job so appealing is the ‘fast-track management progression’ system, wherein supposedly 9–12 months after signing on the dotted line you’d be raking in close to £90,000. Only 1% of employees ever make it that far, but none of us were aware of this at the time.[1]. Each day we worked for free. Many stay for years before the penny drops.[2]

The scheme is designed to get as much free or cheap labour as possible, typically targeting the young and impressionable. There are hundreds scattered all over the world, with thousands of victims taking to scam exposure websites, blogs, comments, forums and Facebook to vent.[3]

The Puppeteers

DS-MAX Descendant companies

DS-Max descendant companies: Appco Group, The Smart Circle, Cydcor, Innovage and others.

Since 2006 the ones pulling the strings are the descendant companies of DS-Max. The setup involves helping a member set up their own limited company, which eventually generates a new manager that in turn sets up their own company – and so on. Each of these give a handsome cut of their profits to their descendant company to gain a share of their clients. This simple formula generates ever-increasing profits with little input from the descendant company themselves.

Astonishingly, although the business practices they employ are considered misrepresentative and deceptive, these companies still remain legal since their ‘salespeople’ are self-employed. [4] To top it off, the entire setup doesn’t qualify as an illegal pyramid scheme as money isn’t generated from internal sign-up fees.

Job Seekers Take Note!

Photo of a STOP sign

Run Like the Wind if:

1) They want you to start immediately, provide full training, and offer earnings close to £250–500 ($400-800) per week.
2) They contact you within hours after you apply. Many are interviewed – the more through the door the better.
3) There is a four step ‘business progression’ which takes 9–18 months to complete. You’d (theoretically) move from Field Representative to Team Leader to Assistant Manager/Owner to Manager/Owner. The last stage is where you’d earn the big bucks.
4) You are required to sign an Agreement that states you are not associated with the company and that the role is 100% commission based. You are told that you are ‘self employed’ and need to pay for all expenses.
5) You hear the chant JUICE, DS-Max’s slogan (‘Join Us In Creating Excitement’). The term ‘Law of Averages’ should also set off alarm bells.
6) Your days consist of morning teachings with music blaring, a talk by a manager and 8–10 hours of door-to-door selling. Most of your waking hours are spent slaving away.

If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. Use your common sense. Don’t be naive like I was.


FOOTNOTES

  1. Obtained from Scam Exposure article “Primus UK“.  ↩
  2. For example this guythis one and this one. ↩
  3. See ‘People Venting’ Section of References  ↩
  4. This loophole has come to the attention of GMB, who has taken court action since “workers on “Commission”…must still be paid at least the national minimum wage.” See this article.  ↩

Find my full list of references here, and more about the History of DS-Max and it’s Business Model here. If you have been in a similar situation, feel free to add company names to this list.

The specific company that I became associated with was Corner Rock Ltd, Company reg no: 08385378. It currently trades under the name RedRock Acquisitions, and is located at Unit 8, Floor Three, Cumbrian House, 217 Marsh Wall, Poplar, London E14 9FJ. It is connected to Blue Ocean Outsource Ltd, Company Reg no: 08437993 which now trades under the name Kreative Client SolutionsDISCLAIMER. 

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187 thoughts on “The Cold Calling Cult

  1. Rosarita says:

    Doesn’t surprise me as sales itself is one big scam. It’s people lying to people trying to gain their “confidence” to invest in a product or service that either doesn’t fully deliver what it promises, has hidden costs, or doesn’t quite what it promises at all. Sales is one big catch 22.

    I went on such an interview 3 years ago for Just Energy. There were about 20 people there all applying for the same sales positions which no one was aware was a sales position as the interviewer only relayed the details of the job on an individual basis.

    The interviewer got offended after I expressed that I was not seeking work in sales. My last 3 jobs had been in sales and I WAS NOT looking for another sales position to save humanity. I was lied to and told it was not for sales and my resume would be forwarded to HR for a position at Just Energy’s call center. Of course It wasn’t!

    It was forwarded out a window attached to a brick most likely. I could care less! The interviewer was a greedy, bald, shifty eyed little liar who took pleasure scamming people and getting them to switch from DTE to Just Energy so he could just rob them charging 6 times what they’d been paying their previous energy service provider.

    Just energy lures its customers with lies and false promises to help them save on their energy bill when in reality they only increase their costs to near impossible. When customers complain and demand to have the service cancelled they’re hit with an outlandishly high fee to have the service cancelled(Yes! They’re CHARGED to CANCEL the service).

    Customers have also complained that the door to door sales team is extremely pushy, obviously greedy and overly aggressive. One customer even complained that a salesman literally pushed his way into her home and attempted to sway her into signing up for just energy.

    When customers call to complain about the exorbitant bills, many have been met with sales people boasting about their huge commissions at paying customers financially strained expense. I knew Just Energy was a scam from the beginning. anyone who deceives you into believing a door to door sales job is anything other than what it is belongs behind bars making license plates.

    • Dan says:

      Sales isn’t the devil. There are many legitimate fields where sales is great and actually helps people. Unfortunately, this ain’t one of them. This particular company is just a scam. I work in insurance — as an agent — and I’ve received about 5 letters from clients who thanks me for helping them save thousands of dollars. . The problem isn’t so much the sales aspect, either. The problem is the deceitful and morally-devoid nature of the company. They’re essentially the modern version of slave-drivers.

    • LoveLife says:

      Wow.. I ended up on this site while looking into some other D2D companies, got sidetracked and ran into this BS. I worked for JE – I did for 2 years and will go back if I ever end up living in an area they service again. Have you ever even read a JE contract? They don’t promise savings, only an idiot who likes to cause drama or doesn’t know they should read a CONTRACT would think that. Do your homework before dissing a legitimate company that has helped people who weren’t afraid to ACTUALLY WORK achieve awesome things, pretty sure you and that many other people at the time were looking for work and had to answer a vague ad and you’re probably still unemployed even though YOU COULD HAVE by this time been easily making atleast 60-80K a year. And yes, there’s such things as EXIT FEES. I imagine you’re one of those people who thinks JE makes gas.

  2. milliepurser says:

    I can’t believe I sat in a car today bwing told about the law of averages, got stuck in a place I didn’t know, about to knock on doors. Can you complain about this stuff? I was falsely promised a junior marketing role. That’s very different to a charity door knocker!!!

    • Shrey says:

      I had the same experience, I was made to sit in a car with four other people, three of them being ‘Managers’ assessing another person and I. The so-called manager then drove us to a residential area to meet and along the way, he kept asking me to take notes on advantages and disadvantages of different types of marketing. Law of Averages came up too. When I asked him, why are they taking me to a housing area, he said its all for the job. I hated the fact that he kept me in the dark and never answered the question properly. This manager was only a year older than me, and thought he was better than me because I’m the one looking for a job. I told him after making me stand there while annoying various homeowners to sign up to a charity, that I am not the one for being duped into taking a job that’ll make me waste my time. I was out of there. Never believing anyone who calls me for a interview after an hour of applying.

  3. Jason Goprenstein says:

    My feeling is at least a real scam artist is honest with themselves. These losers, aren’t even good con-artists. I noticed the sea of cheap suits, and cheaper dress shoes, and after a day of being misled through housing projects to knock and doors, I couldn’t believe as I was taking the train home for a 2 hour drive home that I fell for this nonsense.

  4. Mac says:

    I took a job like this I’m Chattanooga TN. They even told me I had a “salary” option when I had could only gain salary by selling??? I fell for this and if my wife wasn’t making decent money we would be fucked. Please be weary of this stuff guys.

    • nosolicitors4u says:

      Laxamentum? yeah same here man, they got me right out of college. I did end up working there for 9 months. my former leader was the only thing keeping me i liked him and wanted him to succeed. the manager kept trying to stack his team so he could finally get the promotion and i kept trying to wait it out so he could have what he wanted.also one of the leaders is hired under the table because one he has been convicted of breaking and entering, theft under 500 and has not one but 2 domestic assault charges and one civil case, so he was to put his work under random codes per the managers request. My leader left less then a month after i did but not before losing his apartment, ability to visit his children and had to move in with his mother. There are plenty of honorable sales jobs, and the manager was a decent man, but a what point can he still be a good guy while he fucks over other good people.

      • Mac says:

        Yeah Laxamentum! For real? I made it like 3 weeks in February before I said fuck this. I actually lost money taking this job. Felt so stupid but ya live and ya learn lol. Wish I had discovered this thread back then though.

  5. I’ve just been hired to one of these places, and I’m not sure what to do. On the one hand, I need money, but on the other hand, I’d be working 50+ hours a week at barely minimum wage, and it just doesn’t seem worth it.

    • Dan says:

      Don’t do it. Trust me. You aren’t going to ever see much real money. I worked for 2 weeks and made about $200.00. Remember, it’s all commission, and these guys deliberately short paychecks and make up excuses as to why. I was supposed to get paid $500, but my manager lied and told me that some of quotes/leads (I offered home improvement quotes for Sears) cancelled. Little did they know, I made copies of all the quotes/leads that I successfully made, and after I quit, I called a few of them. Turns out, they never cancelled them. Don’t trust any of these people. EVER.

    • Dan says:

      In those two weeks, I also worked 6 days per week, 65 hours per week. Believe me, it’s a slave-driving cult.

  6. All the insights, this ruined my partners career and relationships with everyone around her!!!! SCAMMING BASTIDS /thecredicocult.wordpress.com/interview

  7. I’ve went in for an interview in Southampton for Bravington capital, got interviewed by Luke walker a md from outside the company, the girl who phoned me ( think her name was carina) was calling people in for different companies but all interviewed in the same building for a sales job by the same shady guy! Got invited back lucky enough I’ve researched into it and come across this post! Never bothered to let them know, block their number and stay away!!!! Week after interview their still try calling me and get me in their scam. red5 changed their name to Bravington capital or Phoenix premiere they’re more confused with who they really are lol

  8. Angel says:

    Does anybody know about AusCorp Connect or UKAus? I have been called for interview but i have a very uneasy feeling. It feels like it’s one of those companies for cold calling and door to door sales.

    • Mr E says:

      Yes, Auscorp Connect is door to door.

      I enjoyed my time there and learned a lot of new skills but if you don’t have a decent amount of savings to tie you over, 100% avoid!

  9. Kelly says:

    Wrinardo McKennedy and Ashley Smith (They got married) have now scammed everyone in Illinois and Indiana with his companies McKennedy Marketing and Blue, Inc. and moved on to Alabama where he has opened up a new company called 45 Inc. He is scamming people with the same tactics etc… he promises branch manager positions, six figure income and preys on young attractive college age women. If you have been scammed by Wrinardo or any of his buddies from Cydcor, DS-MAX or one of their 1000 subsidiaries, I encourage you to contact the Alabama Attorney General’s Office and the BBB! You can also contact the police in Trussville, Alabama where Wrinardo lives or the police in Birmingham, Alabama where his office is located at 1111 Edenton, Birmingham, Alabama 35242. psychological tactics to draw them in and keep them in till they break them and/or bankrupt them. Check ripoffreport website for more details on the many scams these 2 have pulled off.

    • Jay says:

      Kelly,
      I know this comment is a bit older now, but I feel like I just had to leave one myself. Wrinardo and Ashely aren’t the masterminds of these scams. They’re definitely not good enough to pull these off by themselves. This is the typical DS-Max/Cydcor/Appco/Innovage (look them up if you’ve never heard of them) carnival show BS that these (parent) companies pull. They sucker people in with the same sales tactics that they’re supposedly teaching these “managers in training” to use in the field, then they have those people use those very same sales tactics to sucker in more “managers in training”. All the while, they conveniently shift the financial burden and legal responsibility onto the first group of suckers they sold the “dream” to.

      Make no mistake, there is NEVER a salary and you NEVER own anything by the legal and financial responsibility. It is ALWAYS 100% commission and you will always pay for you own gas, travel, lodging and meals. Their senior “leaders” (people who have stuck around long enough and are willing to use ANYONE to make a buck) are progressively put on the hook more and more before they ever realize there is no “succeeding”. Ever wonder why they say “Assistant Managers” have to save $40,000 (or whatever arbitrary number they use now) before they can become a manager? It’s not because they’re nice and care about their employees. Guess where the start up costs for “your” office are coming from. Guess who picks where “your” office will open (hint: it’s whichever parent company needs another office since they just closed another 10). Guess who you pay legal and financial service fees to. And if your office sells merch, guess who pays for it so they can give their salesman a chance to sell it. The parent companies are NEVER on the hook from day one. The one service they will never skimp on is corporate lawyers who will burn any “manager” who steps out of line or figure out a way to distance themselves from any satellite office when problems arise.

      One more interesting fact and main reason I wanted to comment. I got suckered into one of these satellite offices for Cydcor over 10 years ago in 2006 in Atlanta. The company was at the time called Wentworth Marketing and was run by Ed Cunliffe (and is now called AGI Atlanta after changing its name to Veritas and a few other names in between). All of the hallmarks you read here about the interviews, the people, the secret signs, ect…were all run exactly the same way. The interesting part to me is that I remember going on a business trip to Warner Robbins, Georgia with another “leader” whose name I thought was really weird (Wrinardo McKennedy). He’s probably still the exact same person 10 years later. I remember him being a great salesman, but a sleazy business man who would set up an old lady running a quiet antique shop with an executive international long distance package (this office worked on a major telecom campaign) while she had no clue what was going on just to make a sale.

      Rebby Sutherland, Ed Cunliffe, Wrinado McKennedy, Brandie Parks, it’s funny how looking into some of these companies 10 years later, none of the names have changed. It’s even funnier how they all seem to have amnesia about the offices they’ve worked in or how many times their offices have changed names. Either way, I had a friend almost get suckered in the exact same way I did and luckily I was able to use my experience to save him a lot of time and money. I got out in a matter of weeks, but still went into some debt chasing the carrot on a stick that they dangle. Hopefully, these companies will start to lose more and more business with the advance of the internet.

  10. Jeff says:

    I started out EXACTLY like this. I’m still a college student and last year, I have done door to door sales intern walking around the neighbors persuading them to use green energy (wind-powered). I had to do this job because I had no experience, not even retail or fast food restaurant whatsoever, but I had no choice because I wanted to add something to my résumé. Main reason why I ended up doing the job is, every company I have applied all said no. I needed some kind of experience and skills to compete with other applicants. After taking the offer, Yes, I myself hated the job and majority of the things that are written in this article are pretty much correct. When you apply for these type of jobs, they want you to start immediately and it doesn’t matter if you don’t have any experience. They do hire young individuals around the age of 18-36. Once you hit middle age, you are not guaranteed to get the job.

    Depending on location, you are likely to walk around in the neighbor especially houses that are all adjacent to each other. They mainly target customers who are living in low-income neighbors and possibly gullible for a sales pitch. I had feeling as soon as I took the offer, this job will not teach me any valuable skill for my next internship or probably won’t do anything good at all. Unfortunately, that was the outcome at the end of the internship. If you are a student or recent graduate without much experience, this job should not be your very first job or intern unless you somehow managed to get promoted to management or at least assistant manager within one year frame. If you decided to take the offer and didn’t make it to management whether you did this job as your very first intern or very first job, chances are, you’ll be stuck writing tons of résumé again and again while all HR department says no to your application. These jobs do not require a four-year degree or let alone probably not even high school diploma because the job itself is very easy. This job also does not teach you any valuable skills beside how to talk to people and run your own business, so you can’t fool the HR department for your next job search because they know it let alone, even I knew it before I even took the offer.

    My advice is if you ended up exactly what I did, look for volunteer work that is related to your major which I highly recommend or talk to your classmates about where they did their internship and ask them for reference. Just think about it, if you are a marketing major and your next internship requires that you need to create ads, have familiar knowledge on social media, HTML, answer phone calls and email messages while all you did was just knock on other neighbors door and persuade them to buy your product or services, there’s literally no connection between the two jobs, so no useful skill and experience gained during the previous job. Don’t forget to keep applying and look for volunteer work (related to your major) and don’t write tons of useless résumé like I did hoping you’ll get picked.

    Good luck to everyone.

    – Jeff

  11. Very good information to know. It is good that some bloggers are revealing the truth of the matrix.
    Psychopaths run these businesses.

    They are wolves in sheep’s clothing and they are only able to blend in with regular humans because people don’t want to believe that psychopaths can look like regular businessmen.

  12. Maria says:

    I realized where I had applied to is exactly what you described… Even Juice is exactly the same… Dodged a bullet there thank you for writing this and for having the list! The company I was going to work for was on there.

  13. It looks like an affiliate has stretched to the United States. I interviewed at a place in Nashville, TN called South Inc. and applied to places called Laxementum and Capital Marketing Solutions with almost identical job advertisements on Monster.com

    • nosolicitors4u says:

      There is also sky inc, prestige marketing, inbound marketing, rocky top marketing, laxamentum business concepts. veritas. ncg inc, NE consulting inc, e innovations, red F inc, smith business consultants inc, strategic campaigns, oln inc, and birmingham consulting group. There are more then 9 of these offices in just the city of atlanta. when i worked at one there were only 3 in nashville, which i have avoided very easily. but i think they must have a new location. or just a new name on one.

  14. I worked at this company for about 2 weeks and this article described everything I was doing at this place. All I saw out of it was $140 for 2 weeks. Give me a break!! It’s horrible that people honestly can get away with crap like this!!!

  15. Lovell Gill says:

    I am experiencing allmost everything people have written about. This job is worthless to start with. Everything written in the article and the comments is so true. I have been working as a door to door salesperson from 1 and a half month now. Have just earned $350. I have been waiting to be paid for my other deals as well but I don’t know if I will be paid or not. Even right now I am supposed to be knocking doors. But I am tired of doing that….of working so long so hard and not making even minimum wage. Big promises are made that you can make $1000 per week and stuff but come on ? Do you really think so ?….I am glad I googled if it’s really worth it…atleast I found other stories so relatable to mine.
    Don’t settle guys, let’s keep moving and find better jobs. I know all of us will get one.
    Best wishes and kind regards.

  16. xSolidSnake86 says:

    Just found this article. I’ve got a job with a company called Economy Energy which starts today in a few hours. I have a bad feeling about it. In the interview, the guy barely asked me questions… only 2 very basic questions that’s all. He was doing all the talking, selling me the job. Saying on average I’ll make 2k a month. In 1 month I can potentially become a leader. At 3 months, a regional manager earning 50k. There was a young teen girl being interviewed right behind me… I guarantee she also got the job too. The interviews were conducted at a hotel in the front desk reception area at the main doors.

    It just so happens to be a shady company rated at 1.5 stars out of 5. It’s all negative customer reviews. On the other hand, managed to find 3 ex employee and 1 current employee salaries on the Indeed job app. They all had good money, stating between £600 and £700 per week. So I’m on the fence about it. I don’t know if I should turn up and give it a chance. The training is in a hotel conference room. The money stated above wets my tongue, I need money.

    I also read of a random guy who’s worked as a door-to-door energy sales trader for 12 years saying he’s made tonnes of money, and one year he made 80k! I’m shocked! Like how is that possible?

    Should I go for it? It seems costly with public transport travel expenses, eating out, weekly dry cleaning to maintain my beautiful suits.

    Also where do I go if I need to use a washroom? Go number 1 and 2 on a streat corner like a dog?… only to get caught on cctv, uploaded to the internet on Ladbible, made fun of, and even arrested and fined? Lol what kind of life is this to live?

    The money though, like what if ya know? What if it turns out to be lost opportunity for me if I don’t go for it?

  17. Munibullah Khan says:

    WOW!
    I was part of Cydcor from Sept 2001 to May 2003, after graduating from college in May 2001.
    Started with the company at ‘Cambridge Communications’ in Long Island NY and moved with them to ARC Advertising in Houston and Dallas TX.

    I was good at sales initially and even better at training others, but eventually the lifestyle and low income sucked all the energy out of me (how long can you survive on Ramen?).
    Knowing that I wasn’t an American citizen and had no where to go, my Manager did not kick me out as my sales fell (even though word around the office was that I was a ‘gimmel’ – DS-Max lingo for looser) – however, my work permit expired and I was unable to get an H1-B visa as they are not issued on commission only jobs.

    I eventually had to leave the US as an illegal resident and stand very little chance of being issued a US visa ever again.

    I don’t blame Cydcor or DS-Max, it was my own gullibility, lack of knowledge, and greed that allowed me to get scammed.
    Some of the ‘system’ teachings have been very helpful in my eventual career as a banker and a Learning & Development professional.

    Sales will always be a high turnover occupation, and not everyone will have the aptitude or inclination to stick with it till they get to manager. Managers do influence their individual offices, and I did see a few who chose to run their offices scrupulously (Jimmy Rothermel comes to mind).

    For DS-Max’s sake, here’s some advice on improving practices:
    1. Establish a centralized HR Division, and comply with local Labor laws
    2. Establish a centralized Legal Division, to advise on legal compliance
    3. Stop lying about ‘marketing’ and tell people you’re a Sales company
    4. Provide minimum wage pay, plus a reduced commission structure
    5. Do tell new recruits that less than 1% of people will ever make it to Manager, it will build a sense of competition without the misdirection.

    Honestly, if the company had taken a few steps towards establishing themselves as a conventional corporation after the first or second generation of leaders, they might have been the most talked about sales firm out there right now. Sadly, they went the shady route and continue to mislead – I fear it will all end with IRS or FBI cracking down one day.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Add atlas outsourcing to the list too ! I’ve been in the similar situation I’m glad I only lasted a day!

  19. Adam Woolsey says:

    I very recently started at a branch of this company in Liverpool. So recently that I have not even completed my training and am not badged to sell yet. I today agreed to go on one of their ‘road trips’ via coach which the company said they would book.

    Having read into these sorts of companies on here I have changed my mind and no longer wish to work there.

    I seek advise as to my legal rights at this point, as I am nervous about quitting. I do not believe I have signed any formal contract, I have not given over any bank details, national insurance figures or personal identification documents or photographs; I have only given basic CV contact details

    Even if the company has booked a coach for my place on a road trip am I within my right to send an email informing them I will no longer be working for them without fear of facing harassment of compensating them for cost of transport/anything else

    Having heard so much about these companies I want to know as much as I can about my position incase they try to con me anymore or claim I owe them for the cost of the coach etc. Any help/advice would be massively appreciated

  20. p says:

    my son has just been through the interview / field day process. they promised large salary and easy money once you climb the pyramid.
    thankfully he had declined their offer.

  21. Jose says:

    New Jersey, newark company called major energy supplier is doing exactly what I read tho the money is good I really feel like we are scamming customers idk first time doing this they hired me same day with two days training and I started on the field the next day with a rep , leader n my field assistant manager . We went from building to building door to door on low income neighborhoods majority black n Latino communities with deals done here n ther . EVery day at 10-12 pep talk about L.O.A n juice don’t ask & don’t tell motto I can’t believe this shyt its krazy as fuk how I’m reading this shyt I’m going thro we get paid thro a fast cash card all I can say is dat I make money tho dat has never been a problem but still it feels wrong …..

  22. Anno says:

    Just discovered this page and I’ve been reading all the recent comments I’ve been with one of these companies over the last 3 weeks and yesterday I just received my first pay which I was quite worried about receiving but as promised I would be paid on the sales I did, guess what I actually got paid 🙂 I made 345 quid in my first week..sky is the limit, so far with the company they have taught me so much, I am a graduate and I think if you approach this with an open mind and you are determined enough you could make quite a bit of money. Yes it might not be easy and yes you might see it as a scam or pyramid scheme but personally I think that’s just down to a bad experience. I think if you are explained how the company works and the manager is completely transparent with you, then I think sites like this wouldn’t exist
    It’s a shame no one speaks about the good points

    • You made £345 in your first week? Haha sure you did, I can’t believe you slimy maggots are actually searching the internet for websites/blogs that reveal the truth about these companies and try to defend them. They will even leave fake 5 star reviews on employer review websites.

      • LoveLife says:

        Some of us ‘slimy maggots’ end up on sites like this because we love sales and can’t help but speak up to people like yourself. You people are why legit companies have such bad reviews. People like you get your panties in a wad and cry foul for no actual reason.

  23. Brainwashed says:

    Hi everyone! I worked in this sort of company for a full year before I started reading blogs like this. If anyone would like any information on this company, their procedures or any companies affiliated, please comment and I’ll help as much as I can.
    It took me a long time to realise what I was working for, so as much as I wasted a year of my life I also have a lot of information that might be helpful if you’re looking at this thread!
    More information can be found if you search for devilcorp.
    Good luck on the job search everyone! 🙂

  24. Hi everyone commenting here, i am glad to find a platform like this. I had a terrible experience with ACQUIRO22 (www.acquiro22.com). There are this couple Vinny Pant and Maria Parker. Very horrible girl. I was made to sign a contract in a company’s name but when i was due to be paid there were all sort of excuses and had to speak some guy call James i hardly met. Then i was been paid through Vinny Pant personal account. Which i can only assume he’s trying to dodge the taxman. Can you guys add ACQUIRO 22 to this list please

  25. reecebest says:

    This is incredible! Could not be more accurate; the months for supposed progression, pay structure, order of the day and even JUICE and L.O.A!

  26. Realist says:

    Thank you for this website. I almost got suckered into one of these gigs. I was wondering why I kept seeing the same job description for a couple of companies all offering the same road to the top with no experience required. I checked Glassdoor and this site and the modus operandi is identical. Phone call within a few hours of application, immediate interview, etc. I’m in a tough spot trying to find work but this would have been even worse for me if I had gone. Please note in Utah companies doing this are Sol Legacy Consulting and Millennium Business Concepts. Both have identical job postings on Glassdoor, Ziprecruiter, Monster, etc.

  27. Ankit Goswami says:

    These are modern day and more of a corporates who worship devil i.e. money in this case. They least care about the youth and their career. I want to add few points:
    – Here in Pune, these people are entering various societies without taking any prior permission from the municipal corporation and chairman of the society. These people are making youth trespasser criminals as they use the method of gate crushing. They teach you the same in the morning learning session with distracting music to add to the creepiness.
    – They say charity organizations giving them money for raising funds for them. But no one actually knows the truth. But lets use common sense,the money we collect from the innocent people, which they think is going for the charity is divided into commission of sales, commission oh his team leader, and it goes like that up in the hierarchy and also penny goes to the charity organizations.

  28. Vinnie Faggio says:

    A similar scam is operating in Pittsburgh, PA under the name(s) Iron City Executives, Steel City Executives, and Dimensions Marketing. The woman who is perpetrating this scam is named Hilary Thurmond. Please, if you’ve been approached by these people, do NOT fall into the trap that they’ve laid for you. Continue your job search a bit wiser to the ways that people will try to take advantage of you.

  29. Vincent says:

    This one is lengthy, but here it goes. I ALMOST fell for such a scam about 3 weeks ago here in Fayetteville, NC. The scam artists are located on N. Reilly Rd, across from the Food Lion. My current job that im still trying to get out of cut back our hours, stopped overtime, and cut back positions during the summer time, so needless to say, we weren’t making very much since, and are grossly underpaid as it is given our job and what we deal with. Hurricane Matthew, and my car getting ruined in a hit and run the day after hit my account hard. By the thousands even with insurance for other stuff as well. So months later after applying for over 50 jobs and still no replies, I come across one of these on Craigslist. An “expanding company” promising $525-$1200 a week. It was under general laborer. No experience necessary, immediate hire, and only 8 positions left.

    Me being naive and not being aware of employment scams, out of desperation and excitement given my predicament, and not thinking clearly, I called the number asking for more details because the ad was very vague. All the woman said was that they were hiring from janitorial – managerial positions. Looking for something in between, I seized the opportunity and went first thing after work for the interview. While filling out their application, one of the individuals who was supposedly the manager walked in wearing a cheap suit while wearing gauges in his ears. I found it unprofessional looking, but overlooked it. He spoke of how they needed drivers for their job, which I was willing to do given what they were paying. After finishing the application I sat down for the interview where a very attractive woman (the same who answered the phone) enthusiasticly began talking to me about Kirby vacuums which I wasn’t familiar with. First red flag was when she said it was door to door sales. That wasn’t what I came in for, and was completely different from what I read on the ad. I was expecting and thinking it would be some type of construction job.

    Second red flag was when she spoke about how some NASA scientist invented the vacuum, and was pretty much selling me the job and how much money I can make, instead of me selling myself. I let her finish her rambling, when all of a sudden she was saying things “too good to be true”

    3rd red flag! That I would be an independent contractor, with the option of working Saturdays if I wished. Sounded good until she said that my 2 days of training would be unpaid. MY TIME IS NEVER FREE, but the money she said I can bring in sounded attractive. Afterwards I left with more questions than answers. Just to make sure I was making the right decision, I did my research, and found a lot of negative reviews about Kirby vacuum door to door salesmen. From both employees, and customers alike. Complaints of over aggressive tactics by the salesman, salesman not getting paid after working almost 80 hour weeks, or getting paid just $300 in 2 months because of managers making excuses for why, such as customers having bad credit, etc

    Given this newfound info, I immediately went back and confronted her just before she left for the day. She played it off well. Either she was aware, and controlled herself, or she really didn’t know and was ignorant of it all. I’m going with the first. From there I calmly explained that I don’t mind working, even for long hours, but that my time is never free and that I expect payment. Even if I don’t make the impossible 15 presentations for the week (which they know is not achievable so they can avoid paying the $525), and I did 14 or even just 1, I expect payment for my work and labor and won’t sign anything stating otherwise. Especially given my situation, I didn’t have time or money to waste. She said I can come back the next day which was my day off and see how I liked it and that the manager can answer all my questions.

    Of course I didn’t show! I already had all the answers I needed online, and they were all the same! Even in different states and countries, all the stories were similar. I’ll be damned if I get driven 2 hours away starting at 9AM, and not come back until possibly midnight for free. It’s a good thing I did my research, because until the interview, I was ready to quit my job on the spot without notice out of excitement. Still doesn’t pay much, but at least I get guaranteed pay for my 40 hours a week. What they’re doing is predatory in that it preys on desperate people needing jobs, and on those ignorant of such scams. It’s just a legal way of using free, or cheap slave labor, and something should be done

  30. Kyle says:

    BPA- Known as Bisphenol A. A chemical compound that may cause harm.

    B.P.A- Known as Better Advertising Professionals. A marketing firm that may sell cable boxes, but sure sounds allot like these other business scams.

  31. Shannon Wilkinson says:

    Looking back 25 years… I started with an affiliate of WWI in April 1990 in Edmonton, Alberta Canada in what was then known as the books division. I had just turned 20. Yes, all the hype, morning raw raw sessions, long hours, no guarantee of $ is /was true. What is /was also true was the focus on building and maintaining a positive attitude for all you face in life, goal setting, strong work ethic and commitment in order to achieve success. Ask anyone who has started their own business of any type and they’ll tell you these are fundamental skills for success in business and life.

    In 1990 I had just finished a business program at NAIT, didn’t have any $, wanted to get out from living with my parents and wanted to be successful. I too was told that with hard work I could have my own business with $250,000 in inventory that would be provided on consignment. I was very intrigued. I did the day training and by the afternoon was doing the sales work for my trainer. I found the work fun, I liked the freedom, and I did well making $400 cash my first week. The products I sold were top name books from Disney, cookbooks from well known chefs, etc. It was good product at good prices.

    The Canadian prairies offer up some of the coldest winters on earth and I was determined to have my own operation before winter hit in October /November. 6 months they said… Those 6 months were some of the hardest working months I’ve ever put in. There was lots of fun, new friends, hope and oppty. There was lots of Bullshit, tough times with little money, less than ethical leadership, and lots of negative attitudes all around me from friends and family. I was determined to succeed and I did and in the last week ofOctober 1990 I opened my own office in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Focused on my goal, did whatever I had to, achieved my goal. The first snowfall hit the week after I opened my office.

    For the next 2 years I was the guy running interviews with 30 plus people a day, stereo blasting, partying every night, walking around with a briefcase full of cash, and trying my best to lead others to the same success. By June 1992 I had $100,000 in my bank account and I expanded my operations to Vancouver Canada. Timing was not good. I invested in the move, office set up, and took 6 of my best up and comers with me. Timing was terrible. The parent company WWI ran into problems getting inventory for a variety of reasons and I was left with little to sell. The marketing agreement with WWI didn’t allow me to source product from any other supplier. In order to keep my team committed I paid them out of my pocket, paid rent, and kept the good times rolling. By September, the summer was over, I was down $50k, my team lost faith and headed back to Manitoba. I lost sight of the core principles of success that I preached so much and gave up. I shut down my operations, and walked out with my last $50k.

    Larry Tenambaum requested a meeting with me shortly after I quit. I met with him and basically he wanted to know why I quit. I told him the story and he just gave me the so what. Tough times, there’s good and bad, stay committed and you’ll get through it. At that point, looking back, all the partying had taken its toll. I had become angry, lost my drive and had given up in more than just the business. I walked away.

    The first year following was tough and I basically blew through the last or my $. I was behaving like idiot and making stupid decisions. By end of 1993 I was broke and at that point made a decision to get my life back on track. I didn’t go back to WWI but I took all the principles of success that I had learned and started applying them to my life again. It wasn’t as easy the second time around but in the 25 years that have followed I have started several businesses some relatively successful, some not. In one I lost $250,000 but I never allowed myself to quit again. I’m 46 now and I still live in Vancouver. I’m happily married for 20 years with a family. I’m a millionaire and still working hard to achieve my goals.

    Is The WWII /DS Mac oppty for everyone? No way. Is it a scam? No it is not. Like anything in life if you want something bad enough and you’re willing to work for it, you’ll eventually succeed. If you want it easy and look to others for your reasons not to succeed then you’ll see this organization in negative light.

    For all the ups and downs the most important skills I learned from the experience with WWI was attitude, work ethic and perseverance. Without this being ingrained into me I believe my life would have turned out a whole lot worse. I for one am thankful for my experience with WWI and feel blessed to have had the opportunity. It brought out the best in me, the worst in me, but gave a foundation from which I built a success life.

    Looking back 25 years, I just want to say thank you to Larry Tenambaum and Avie Roth.

    • Lewis says:

      I never worked for any of these companies but started my own with the same principles. Bottom line is this…. the skills you will develop with this kind of training will serve you well for the rest of your life. You will certainly be more successful at life if you embrace straight commission sales and actually work harder than is reasonable and learn to sell and to lead others. The skills you develop by taking any position are worth more than the money earned.

      The men and women who have stuck with it in these enterprises and perserverred through thick and thin are awesome, amazing people and most look back in these experiences as the most valuable training they ever received.
      I have no degree, barely graduated high school, my wife has never needed to work and I live in a 6000 sf house with an indoor pool. One reason…… because I learned how to sell door to door. Stop whining and get busy knocking!

  32. Lewis says:

    P.S.
    I am not endorsing every company that sells door to door. I can tell you there are good plumbers and bad plumbers, good dentists and bad dentists, good lawyers….. well maybe not good lawyers…. anyway, each opportunity should be judged on its own merits. It should not be said that all direct sales opportunities are virtuous or all are scams. Use your judgement and understand that a wise man makes more opportunities than he finds. If you find yourself working in a unethical environment, take your talents and services to a company who believes in the highest and best that direct sales has to offer. They do exist, and if you are serious you will find such an opportunity.

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